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Team Strat Guide For Zh 2v2 Gaming!
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21st Oct 2014

The "Basic" 2v2 Combos And Their Counter Combos And Strats!

The Best Combos To Use!

Ok, now the best 2v2 combos all involve AF. For example, Af/Tank, Af/Nuke, Af/Tox, Af/Inf(The best being Af/Tank, followed by Af/Nuke then Af/Tox, and lastly Af/Inf). Why you ask? Well, it's like this. Af has a strong air force and if you combine that with the likes of Tank's, Nuke's, even Toxin's ground force or Inf's powerful ground and anti-air based infantry it's unbeatable 
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Now the purpose of this is that basically you kinda defend/help out Af with anything that's anti-air while he helps you out with units that are ground based, and of course the Af could also take out anti-air units too etc and help you out 
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But the main point is that with these combos you could help each other out the fastest and have the best "Teamwork" with because mainly there's a Af in the game with his VERY fast powerful air force but, also Tank's fast gatt/outpost spam, Nuke's fast bms, Toxin's fast moving scorps,marauders, and quads, and Infs powerful outposts that can get to any point on the map pretty quick.

So, what does this exactly mean? Well, it means your opponents have to get both anti-air and anti-ground units to put up any chance 
. This adjustment for your opponents is very hard to do meaning ownage 
. Anyways here are the best and basic combos(and their "Best" counter combos) you'll see in your typical 2v2 game.


Airforce
Tank

Now, since this is the best combo in the game there isn't much counter combos to it. But your best bet to beat this combo would be to mirror it with the same armies. Ok then what if you don't want to mirror it? What would be your second or third best option? Well, the answer to those questions would be your second option being AF/Nuke and third option being Af/Tox.

Basically anything with a Af would be the most effective but since Nuke/Tox are practically the best generals of their factions this will be the best. But, come to think of it I'll highly recommend going Af/Stealth if your thinking of going Af/Tox. Why? Well, stealth gets quads cheaper then tox does and in matchups with Af in it, the main units you will build are anti-air.

You really don't need the tox tunnels much because Af could easly take them out as well as the tanks Tox can build. You just NEED QUADS and Stealth gets them cheaper. Also, the tunnels are stealth so Af will have to scan everytime he'll want to attack everything. Now for further help on this combo, I'm going to make specific guides for it and this is my first one which is on Af/Tank Mirror 
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The Basic's Of AF/Tank Mirror! The Strats And Counters!

AirForce
Nuke

Now, this isn't as strong of a combo as Af/Tank because Nuke's bms may be faster but the Tank gen's are stronger while having them cheaper and able to spam more units while nuke is kinda limited. But the good thing about Nuke is that (teched up) their one of the best armies in the game. Use this to your advantage. Also, Nuke uses the speed of it's nuke's bms mixed with outposts and gatts to own in the early game.

However, the best combos to counter this certain combo would be Af/Tank of course,Mirroring it,Af/Tox/Stealth and Af/Inf. What makes this combo very well-rounded is that they could help each other more better then a Af/Tank, because of it's fast tanks, while on the other hand the Tank gen only has it's fast gatts/outposts(Which nuke has as well but not as cheap and the gatts aren't as good).

Basically, these bms can help alot on the battlefield but tank's units will always overpower them in the early game. That's why it's always a good idea to tech up quickly with Nuke in any matchup 
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Airforce
Toxin

Ok, a Af with a the Gla army that can give him tunnels and transport his whole army to help his ally in seconds isn't good? Well, your wrong 
. That's the exact reason why this combo is one of the best. The Gla just camps up the Usaf with anti air and tanks while the Af can now peacefully spam krs or comms at his own will and own everything in site!

But, the reason why almost any China with an Af can beat a Gla and a Usaf is simple. China has a WAY more powerful anti air unit, the gatting tank. The Gla have way weaker anti air unit the quad. That's why Af/Tank is such a strong army. Those 1 chev gatts pack a punch 
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Anyways, the best combos vs this combo would be Af/Tank, Af/Nuke, mirroring it with Af/Tox or Af/Stealth or Af/Inf a bit. If this combo is played well though it can be VERY hard to beat and even beat a Af with a China.

I also would recommend going Af/Stealth though if a Af is involved because of the cheaper quads and what I mentioned in the Af/Tank combo section!!. But, if there isn't a Af then Toxin would be the smart choice because there won't be krs to take out your strong tunnels 
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AirForce
Infantry

Well, this combo seems like it'll be the best one in the game but it really isn't 
. Maybe before patches 1.03/1.04 it "Might" of been but, now it really isn't 
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A good Af/Tank,Af/Nuke and ESPICALLY Af/Tox would rape this. The 2 players just have to work as a nice team and inf is easly owned nowadays.

Anyways the best counter combos would be Af/Tox,Af/Tank, and lastly Af/Nuke. This combo could be really poweful late game when Inf gets ecms up but in early game it's really weak and easly counterable.


The Best Combos Without An Af!


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Toxin
Toxin

This combo is clearly the best or one of the best combos without an Af. I mean it's tunnels and poweful units are very hard to battle aganist without an Af there to back you up(Af is like the best counter to Toxin countering it's strong tunnels,bbs, and other units easly).

Anyways facing 2 Toxins isn't a easy to thing to do, but the best combos vs this of course would involve a Af. Like Af/Tank,/Af/Nuke/Af,Toxin. However, Af/Inf would most likely get owned so I don't recommend that aganist this combo.

You could also all Tox mirror it or even try dual Nuke or Nuke/Tank which is hard and you WILL have to play a hell of a game to win. Beating Toxin as Nuke is getting harder these days but it's possible 
. To sum it up without a Af it's VERY hard to beat this "Lame" TOXIC combo 
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Toxin
Nuke

Ok, adding one of the most powerful armies in the game(Toxin) with a army that does quite well early game and then becomes one of the best armies when teched up into a combo? Yes, sounds ownage to me 
. This combo is very well-rounded as well but dual Toxin will most of the time beat this one.

Toxin is really strong and 2 of them is enough espically vs a Nuke. Anyways if the toxin kinda camps up the Nuke and keeps he alive until his techs up he will do ALOT of damage. He could also get nuke migs up if it gets to that stage of the game.

Now, the best counters for this combo of course like I always say Af/Tank/,Af/Nuke/,Af/Tox/Af/Inf. Dual Toxin will also own this fairly well.Also Tox/Tank wouldn't do a bad job aganist this too as well as dual Nuke or Nuke/Tank! 

A common matchup is the Tox/Nuke mirror in cw. Where usually the Nuke goes Helix or Dual Wf while both toxins tt the Nuke's and try to get them out of the game quick.

Now, Tox/Nuke could also be very powerful if used right. I think Tox/Nuke is a "Little" bit better then Tox/Tank because Nuke teched up is much more usable then Tank(vs Toxin espically) as well as it could get nuke migs 
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Toxin
Tank

Now, this also is quite a powerful of a combo too tbh. Tank's strong ground force combined with Toxin's... Enough said 
! Anyways to the point, Basically almost the same counters combos as Tox/Nuke but a little different.

Of course your typical Af/Tank,Af/Nuke,Af/Inf could beat this. But, also dual Toxin, Tox/Nuke, but Tox/Tank would rape dual nuke more imo. Nuke/Tank wouldn't do so well either.

Anyways if tank techs up and gets all his upgrades(Like autoloaders, Prop center 5 or more bms horde bonus upgrade) it's gg everything 
. So your goal is with this as Tank is to tech up and get these expensive upgrades ASAP!


Nuke
Tank

Tbh, this is a nice mix of armies. Very powerful slow tanks with fast tanks. Works well together, making this combo the best without a "Lame" Toxin or an Af 
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However, it has many counter combos to it like almost anything with Toxin or Af in it. I mean you could pull some wins off with this combo vs the other top combos but it's not easy. Anywayz this mixture of tanks in the battlefield makes it ideal for nice attacks and teamwork to take place with this combo.

It's main counter combos are as follow, Af/Tank, Af/Nuke, Af/Tox, Af,Inf and dual tox, and anything with a toxin almost like Tox/Nuke or Tox/Tank. But this combo played right could acutally own ALOT of combos. But yea the Chinas are kinda underpowered now 
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Nuke
Nuke

This is a very common combo you see in 2v2s on zh. Why? Well, because of Nuke's fast tanks and nice late game units. Also, Nuke can get in a base quick and destory money meaning their trucks/workers quickly and for Usa their nooks(With their gatts). Nevertheless, this combo could own as well.

It just takes alot of skill nowadays espically vs the likes of Toxin. Now, another common matchup you see is an all Nuke mirror. What you basically see in this is 1 guy going dual wf while the other goes helix 1 wf and then techs up.

It gets pretty crazy and it sometimes comes down to who just micros better. Anyways, there's alot of counters for this combo actually 
. That would be everything included an Af like Af/Tank,Af/Nuke,Af/Tox,and Af/Inf. Also, dual Tox, Tox/Nuke, Tox/Tank would counter this pretty good. But this combo could pull off some wins as well if played right 
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Tank
Tank

Now, dual Tank is VERY powerful but is very limited on what it can do. Like for example vs a Af/Nuke it would simply it get owned because Af would hunt their dozers and nuke will kill all their gatts and etc. But vs almost any Usa this combo is VERY good. Even vs Vgla/Demo/Stealth or sometimes vs Nuke.

Basically though this combo could own alot or get owned alot. It's to predictable sometimes but nevertheless it's a very strong combo and it could own almost everything. Just takes some sort of skill to beat some combos with it. Tbh there isn't much counters to this combo.

I mean of course everything with a Af owns it like Af/Tank,Af/Nuke,Af/Tox,Af/Inf. Dual Tox will own this almost no problem most of the time while this combo could possibly own dual Nuke(Or you could also just all Tank mirror) but not Tox/Nuke or Tox/Tank. Lastly, I would like to say that this combo is very underestimated by it's VERY strong. Just isn't used much and vs certain combos it's hard to use 
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The Conclusion!

First off, I would like to say that all these ideas and comments are my opinions based on my experience and trust me I've had alot espically in 2v2 so I know what I'm talking about 
. I know I missed some other strong combos but these are the most popular 
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There might be different combos that are popular now but these are the most basic out of all of them. I hope this helped and ask ya to wait for my "Fallen Empire Fundamentals Guide" which will be ready soon 
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